Geheime kennis & geschiedenis

by Ali as die Waerheijd Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004 at 1:33 AM

Geheime genootschappen en verband met het weinig bekende verhaal over opkomst en motieven Hitler, huis van Oranje, New-Age, (rechts) groen activisme, enzovoorts.

Hierbij wat opzienbarende aantekeningen, links, enzovoorts.
Is nog in onderzoekstadium, maar deze info is dermate onthutsend, dat ik deze -o.a. vanuit veiligheidsmotieven- nu al doorstuur.
Let op de opbouw van dit stuk en hoe de intermezzo's gaan, om de draad niet kwijt te raken.

In het Engels kwam ik ook tegen:

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/P2.html

1918 Thule-Gesellschaft
http://www.geocities.com/roggemansmarcel/thule.htm

Vooral uitprinten en goed lezen; ik citeer slechts enkele tekstdelen van de NL-link:

"...opgericht op 17 Augustus 1918 door Rudolf von Sebottendorf in het hotel "De Vier Seizoenen".

>>> M:
Ik berichte onlangs over high-society hotel "The Four Seasons" op Big Island, waar Britney Spears onlangs was en ook Bill Gates vaste klant is; dit blijkt een wereldwijde hotelketen zijn en is wellicht te vergelijken met de grote broer naar analogie van Bilderberg Groep en Bilderberg Hotels:

http://mastermason.info/education/files/jun03/defenderofpesona.htm
...Managing Editor of the Scottish Rite Journal, was able to represent the Center for Masonic Education at Houston in the SBC press room, on the Convention floor, and at the hospitality suite/media center set up by the Center at the Four Seasons Hotel near the Convention hall,...

http://www.grandlodgescotland.com/glos/Literature/GM%20Visiting/Visit%201978(a).htm
"...four magnificent Chinese scrolls representing the four seizons...

http://rizalslifewritings.tripod.com/Writings/Letters/Family/1882-f-letters.htm
"...the Fountain of the Four Seasons, represented by four superb lions, a museum of antiquities from Herculaneum and Pompeii. ..."
[M: fountain of life? life-elixer, holy grail, holy scroll, etc.]

http://www.awakening-healing.com/jan's_articles.htm
"...This created the four seasons. It also shows us the circular/cyclical feminine pattern of Birth, Death and Renewal, similarly represented by the waxing and waning of the Moon. ..."
{M: dergelijke zaken komen terug in Blavatsky en Gordjief]

http://joemsanchez.tripod.com/masonic_talk/stb/stbs/93-07.htm
"...The Center for Masonic Information would not have been created nor could it have been represented at Houston. As a result of John Robinson's vision; Bro. and Dr. John W. Boettjer, Managing Editor of the Scottish Rite Journal, was able to represent the Center for Masonic Education at Houston in the SBC press room, on the Convention floor, and at the hospitality suite/media center set up by the Center at the Four Seasons Hotel near the Convention hall,..."

M: Goed; stop even met dit intermezzo: er zijn vele verwijzingen naar een link tussen Scottisch Masonry en de hotelketen "four seasons"
Daarbij nog op te merken dat Houston (&Texas) door een informant is genoemd als mogelijk nieuw hoofdkwartier van OTO; Ordi Templi Orientis, oftewel The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn".

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Ik ga even door naar de tekstdelen vanuit de link van het Thule Gesellschaft die banden tussen OTO, The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn" en Scottish Masonry, zeer waarschijnlijk maken:

Karl Haushofer (veel invloed op Hitler, reizen verre oosten, broederschap de "Groene Draak",
[M: let wel: Beatrix heeft een boot "De Groene Draak" die in de haven ligt waar ook de boot van drugsmokkelaar Bruinsma lag; opiumhandel Oranje naar China via NHM]
... expert Oosters Esoterisme. Veronderstelt dat hij tot de binnencirkel van George Gurdjieff zou behoren. Oprichter zeer geheime Orde "Vril" (o.a. Hitler) te Berlijn. Rudolf Hess is een leerling van hem, die hem in contact met Hitler bracht en bezocht Hitler tijdens schrijven Mein Kampf regelmatig.
"..Karl en zoon Albrecht Haushofer hadden voor 1940 contacten met leden van de "Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn". Kort na de machtsovername in 1938 waren er in Haushofer's huis geregeld ontmoetingen tussen Nazi-kopstukken en Japanse hoogwaardigheidsbekleders. Voor de Nazi's was Japan het 'Herrenvolk' uit het Oosten.
[M: Er zijn ook banden tussen Oranje en Japan in die tijd; rond 1900 waren er enorme zakelijke banden, waarover net een Japans film(-festival) is dat Beatrix bezocht; bron Charles Destree]
"In de lente van 1941 trachtte Haushofer, Rudolf Hess er van te overtuigen, nadat dit bij Hitler mislukt was, om contacten te maken met de Duke of Hamilton (Markies van Clydestale) die op zijn beurt contacten had met de "Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn"
[M: Clydestale/Hamilton is het gebied waar de Schotse stad Glasgow is, een evengrote stad als Edinburg en er bijna naastgelegen] "Op 10 mei 1941 vertrekt Rudolf Hess naar Schotland. De Britse regering had echter geen oren naar de voorstellen van Rudolf Hess om een vredespact te sluiten en zette hem gevangen.
- Haushofers vielen uit de gratie en Hess werd door Hitler voor gek verklaard.
"Albrecht Haushofer was betrokken op de mislukte putsch op Hitler op 20 juli 1941..."

M: mijn conclusie is dat OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis), = The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn = de Scottisch Masonry, zeer nauw betrokken zijn geweest bij het aan de macht brengen en ideologisch stimuleren van Hitler.
Daarbij komt mogelijk dat Hitler en Rothschild familie van elkaar zijn: de grootmoeder van Hitler was huishoudster van (deels Joodse) superrijke Rothschild (en afstammeling van Ra; Roth, Nimrod van Babylon?) en Hitlers vader of moeder zou een kind zijn van hem.
Pas op een veel later moment heeft men echter geprobeerd Hitler te stoppen / te bewerken en je ziet dat er toen een duidelijke breuk ontstond.
Hitler weigerde namelijk om te beantwoorden/knielen aan het 'hogere' genootschap en wilde zelf alle macht overnemen.
Dat de Jodenvervolging de hoofdreden hiertoe was, is m.i. deels een manipulatie van dergelijke organisaties, die hun eigen (racistische) rol wilden toedekken.
(De link bevat ook diverse aanknopingspunten over het ontstaan en hoe en waarom van de motivaties van de Jodenvervolging en niet de gecensureerde en gemanipuleerde onzin die ik op school heb moeten leren; o.a. dat Hitler alleen knettergek was en ze haatte omdat ze zijn schilderskunsten afkeurden.
Maar dat is een ander verhaal, waarover ik -gezien de gevoeligheid hiervan en om verkeerdere conclusies over mijn persoon te voorkomen- duidelijk moet stellen: de manier waarop Hitler e.e.a. in praktijk bracht is wel knettergek te noemen; er is discussie over de authenticiteit van het door Rosenberg uit Rusland gesmokkelde document over een "Joods-Bolsjewieks" complot; enzovoorts, enzovoorts; zoek het zelf maar uit).

De link bevat ook nog wat mogelijke aanknopingspunten tussen deze racisten en met het groen activisme en de Realisten Nederland; een partij van Hans Knoop die Fortuyn op confrontatiekoers bracht met de dierenactivisten door succesvol voor de pelsdierenfokkers te lobbieen:
"Er ontstond eind jaren tachtig in Nederland het "PMR -Partij voor Millieu en Recht- en het "RN -Realisten Nederland"
(Op internet vind ik zo snel de link niet, maar weet dit daar zijn ouders mijn buren waren en ik dergelijke pamfletten met zijn naam gezien heb; wel wordt uit gegevens op internet al snel duidelijk dat zijn interpretatie van 'dierenactivisme' en die van RN overeenkomen)
Dit word in verband gebracht met het "Neo-Paganisme", "Groen-Rechts" en dat ecologie en conservatisme "blijken soms dichter bij mekaar te liggen dan men denkt"
Eerder stelde ik al dat Hans Knoop toevallig ook een boek schreef over wapensmokkelaar Klaas de Jonge voor Oranje naar Zuid-Afrika in de tijd van RARA, enzovoorts.

Goed.
Ik vermeld even wat andere gegevens die met deze zaken in verband staan:

Teutonic Order (engels/US woordenboek): ...organized in 1191 for service in the Crusades and later active in the military conquests by Germany of Baltic and Slaviv lands".
In feite kan je de Illuminati van 1776 van Weishaupt('Spartacus') zien als de op/navolgers van de Teutons; een Arische stam/volk van naakte maandansers en rauw voedsel eters; net als de Kelten.

The Secret Doctrine
Blavatsky vols I & II
Cosmogenesis
Anthropogenesis
uit 1888 (heruitgave november 17, 1947 door Theosophy Co)
Blavatsky met haar Theosophical movement en boek "The Secret Doctrine" is te zien als het boek van de Illuminati. Alleen officieel deel 1 en 2 zijn uitgegeven in het boek van 1888. Andere "deel 3 " versies zijn nooit bekrachtigd en zijn vaak manipulaties. Deel 3 en 4 zijn geheim en meer praktisch; waarschijnlijk bevatten die de geheime rites en initiaties die door OTO / Golden Dawn / Scottisch Masonry en aanverwante organisaties worden toegepast.
Ik citeer even kort in het verband met dit artikel: "...great Adepts of the Aryan Race..."
Als voorloper c.q. een eerder op de markt verkrijgbaar boek wordt "Isis Unveiled" genoemd.
Verder: she learned from Monks boardering Asia and Russia" en in dat verband: Lord Maitreya: "The Cult of The Dragon"

Rudolph Steiner was secretaris van de Theosophy Company dat dit boek uitgeeft en richtte zijn eigen anthroposofical movement op.

Churchill linked Weishaupt and the Illuminati of 1776 with Karl Marx of 1848
Churchill claimed that their purpose was to bring the world a New Worl Order.

The hippie movement of America began with the hippy movement before WWII
=> high Germans/ Elsas Lotheringen.
Teutones = True-Adamites; high Germans came from Teutons.
Adamite = a person who goes naked in imitation of Adam, as did members of some early religious sects.
Teuton= member of teutons.
Teutones= Ruler, an ancient tribe variously considered as Teutonic or Celtic, that lived north of the Elbe in Jutland.
Teutonic Order (zie eerder in tekst)
Teutonic: 1)Ancient Teutons; 2) of the Germans; 3) a group of North European people inclusding the German, Scandinavian, Dutch, English, etc.

"Children of the Sun"
ISBN 0-938-250-35-3 (& -37-1)
(ook een Duitse originele versie van)
Verteld de historie en de bewegingen rond 1900 en hoe dit oversloeg aan Californie en daaruit de Hippie beweging ontstond.
Nu dan de New-Age met o.a. raw-food en naakt volle maandansen.

De boeken en beweging/ geheim genootschap van Gurdjieff zijn te zien als opvolger of mantelorganisatie van de Illuminati.
"Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson" is zijn grootste boekwerk dat het meeste omvat.
"Views from a Real World: Early Talks of G.I Gurdieff" is wellicht van belang om verbanden te onderzoeken.
Deze werken worden door veel mensen uit high society gevolgd. Gurdjieff zou hoofd zijn geweest van OTO / Golden Dawn.

Na hem was Aleister Crowley het hoofd;

Israel Regardie eveneensn (of heeft daar boek over geschreven; rauwe aantekeningen)

MacGregor Mathers -meen Schots- is de oprichter van OTO / Golden Dawn;

Alice Bailey: belangrijk leider van de New Age;
Anton LaVey: auteur Satanic Bible;

Dogon Tribe described the constellation of Sirius as a double star. Also look up in The Sirius Mystery.
[M: Er zijn vele aanwijzingen van o.a. oude culture en stammen -volgens de vrijmetselaars- dat buitenaards leven van Sirius; de "Dog-star" (dog is omgekeerde woord van god) de aarde heeft bezocht ca. 4500 jaar voor Christus]
In ieder geval gelooft men in dergelijke hogere wezens;

David Sprangler -major leader of the New Age;

Nimrod & Semiramis - first recognized king & queen of Babylon. Came to be worshipped as Gods (Semiramis being the mother of Nimrod, married Nimrod, she claimed virgin birth of Nimrod, this being the first "mother Mary and baby Jesus";

Sirius or Dog Star - in Constellation Canis major (=canine) HEART OF MYSTERIES;

Robbert Anton Wilson
Cosmic Trigger (boek)
Final Secret of the Illuminati
ISBN 0-941404-46-3

Goed; vast heel wat vergeten mee te nemen, maar deze gegevens moest ik even kwijt. Excuus voor de opmaak; dit is een onderzoeksstuk doorspekt met aantekeningen.

Als slotstukje nog even een gedachte van Gurdjieff dat revolutie van binnenuit de mens moet komen. Deez gedachte vind je terug in de denkbeelden over "de evolutiesprong" van vrijmetselaars, waarbij de mensheid naar een hogere dimensie zou gaan.
Verder zijn er veel zogenaamde "white knights". Even afgezien van de behandelde racistische tendensen ivm "white", zijn er ook veel vrijmetselaars die oprecht 'het goede' voor hebben. En soms ook doen, maar soms is hun moederorganisatie bovenaan de top bezig met een geheime agenda, is geinfiltreerd, of houdt er Reaal Politiek op na.
Heeft men doelbewust WWII uitgelokt?
Het zou kunnen, opdat later de mensheid meer "zelfinzicht" zou krijgen, benodigd voor de gepropageerde evolutiesprong.
Ik houdt het eerder op een 'ongelukje', maar sluit het tegendeel niet uit.

heh?

by demanindestraat Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004 at 11:24 AM

Heh, ik versta er geen knijt van...
Is dit weer één of ander verhaal over een grote wereldwijde samenzwering? Nu, gezien Britney Spears, Adolf Hitler en de Schotse Vrijmetselaars in één adem genoemd worden,....

Anders

by MM Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004 at 8:21 PM

Nee, Britney Spears was toevallig een bezoeker van dat hotel; ze is nogal jong en lijkt niet zo supersnugger om dat te weten.

Scottisch Masonry heeft met die hotelketen te maken.

Verder hoe men Hitlker aan de macht bracht en later probeerde te stoppen.

Aanvullingen Hitler- Scottisch Masonry-Golden Dawn-OTO

by Mark Metzelaar Wednesday, Jan. 21, 2004 at 2:45 AM

Om e.e.a. nog wat te verduidelijken:

De Orde van Hitler en top-Nazi's "Vril" is opgericht met leden van "The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn" is gelijkwaardig aan OTO, is Scottisch Masonry (of sterk verwant daaraan).
Men had eerder een meningsverschil over dat er geen oorlog tussen Engeland en Duitsland behoorde te zijn, dat dat men het oneens was over Joodse vraagstukken.
Immers: de hele ideologie is gebaseert op het Arische/Aryan ras, eventueel met toevoeging van Kelten en andere hogere rassen, zoals de Japanners voor het Oosten.
Dat zie je ook al terug in het werk van Blavatsky.
De breuk lijkt pas midden 1941 te zijn ontstaan rond het mislukken van de bemiddeling van Rudolph Hess en de escalatie die dat gaf tussen de eerdere uitverkoren discipel Hitler en leden van The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
De Golden Dawn blijkt inderdaad tegelijktertijd te zijn opgericht, als dat Blavatsky's wer "Secret Dopctrine" uitkwam. Via de opgegeven literatuur word de connecte met de eerdere Illuminati aangetoond

Een ander punt van toelichting is een deel van de ideologie dat men tot hoger inzicht komt door training, ontbering, zware stress enzovoorts. WWII past in dat kader en kan doelbewust zijn opgezet om het daarmee beoogde inzicht 'van binnenuit' onder de mensen te krijgen, noodzakelijk voor de beoogde evolutiesprong naar een hogere mens.
Ik zeg niet dat WWII geheel om die reden zo is voorbereid, maar het is wel een mogelijkheid.

Ik noem verder wat titels voor degenen die hier verder mee willen:

"Christian Rosenkreutz" (1378-1504)
Rudolph Steiner
ISBN 1-85584-084-7
Beschrijft o.a.:
Goethe: "The Mysteries";
Goethe: "The Green Snake and Beautiful Lily";
Rosecruzer Egyptian or Hermetic symbolism from confessio;
1785 "The Secret Symbols of the Rosicrucians"
Hinricus Madathanus Theosophus &
"The education of Human Race" (1780);
"The Chymical Wedding" narrative -1603 Johan Valentin Andrea &
other document "Fama Fraternitatis";
Copernicus "On The Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres middle 16th century;
"Knight of the Golden Stone" (Christian Rosenkreutz).

"Magick"
"Book four Liber Aba"
Aleister Crowley
I Mysticism;
II Magick (elem. theory);
III Magick in theorie & practice
IV Thilema -The Law
ISBN 0-87728-919-0
Dit zou het echte -meest uitvoerige- handboek van de vrijmetselaars zijn; met alle riten, symbolen, gebruiken enzovoorts.

"The Golden Dawn"
Israel Regardie
2000 -6th edition revised and enlarged, complete in one volume
"The Original Account of the Teachings, Rites and Ceremonies of the Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn"
A Complete Course in Practical Ceremonial Magic
Four Volumes in One"
ISBN 0-87542-663-8
(deze versie is teruggebracht van 1200 naar 800 pagina's vanwege "leesbaarheid")

"The Tree of Life"
"An Illustrated Studie in Magic"
Israel Regarde
Edoted and Annotated by Chic Cicero and Sandra Tabatha Cicero
A Twenty-first-century Edition of a Maggical Classic
2003, third printing
ISBN 1-56718-132-5

"The Sirius Mystery"
New scientific evidence of alien contact 5000 years ago
Robert Temple
1998
ISBN 0-89281-750-X

"The Biggest Secret"
"The book that will change the world"
David Icke
Updated second edition, includes the background of the murder of Diana, Princess of Wales
1999- 7th printing nov. 2001
ISBN 0-9526147-6-6

"America's Secret Establishment"
"An introduction to the
Order of Skull & Bones"
Antony C. Sutton
"...only at Yale"
Every spring since 1832 fifteen new faces are asked to join
The Order of Skull and Bones
After Yale, many go on to the heights of power and shape our world. This is the story of how and why...
ISBN 0-9720207-0-5

Obscurantisme

by PolE Wednesday, Jan. 21, 2004 at 8:24 AM

Ik denk dat Ali zelf teveel van die obscure boekjes heeft gelezen. De meeste sektes denken nu eenmaal dat zij een manier hebben gevonden om de wereld of de mens te veranderen. Zij nemen hun waanbeelden meestal voor werkelijkheid. Ali wil ons waarschuwen voor het gevaar van dergelijke clubjes, maar negeert daarbij de concrete feiten uit de recente geschiedenis. (WOII een samenzwering om de mens te testen?) Zijn angst komt voort doordat hij er van uit gaat dat ze werkelijk in staat zijn de wereld te beinvloeden. Hij gelooft hen dus blijkbaar al half en half. Je bewijst hen teveel eer Ali.

obscure concrete feiten

by Charles Destrée Wednesday, Jan. 21, 2004 at 4:04 PM

Beste mensen,

Aan stichtingargus@wanadoo.nl liet ik onderstaande weten: "dat in hun lijst van geheime genootschappen mij er twee lijken te ontbreken.
De Zionistische lobby, die in Washington de wereldscepter zwaait
De Bilderberg Group, die in de NATO de macht van het noorden over de uitgebuite Derde Wereld beheert. In collaboratie met de CIA, de multinationals, w.o. de families Bush en Van Oranje.

Om hun tekst te gebruiken: ik ben "een onafhankelijk onderzoeker naar politieke, economische, religieuze en maatschappelijke (machts-structuren). Onderzoeksterreinen zijn onder meer de diverse" multinational ondernemingen en hun terroristische wereldheerschappij.

Herinnerd zij, dat de allereerste multinational ter wereld een Nederlandse was, de VOC. Diens dochtermaatschappij de WIC verdiende fortuinen met de slavenhandel. De stichting van de VOC is vorig jaar op schandelijk schaamteloos uitbundige wijze gevierd.
Het Huis van Oranje deelde en deelt mee in deze koloniale uitbuiting, en vestigde zo zijn macht. Deze Oranjefascistische onderneming is bovenal een multinational bedrijf. Het verbloemt zijn handel onder de hermelijnen mantel van het Koningschap – dat slechts dient als camouflage.
In 1934 werd speciaal een SS'er uitverkoren om de toekomst van het Huis van Oranje te verzekeren.
Voor en tijdens WO II collaboreerde het Huis van Oranje met Nazi-Duitsland. O.a. in het Duits-Brits-Nederlandse Englandspiel en in de NOC."

Wie meer wil weten uit mijn grote verzameling documenten, ben ik graag van dienst.

Vriendelijke groeten,
Charles Destrée.

Hegeliarism: Skull & Bones - Harriman- Wesley Clark, Zionism, Bilderberg, etc.

by Mark Metzelaar Thursday, Jan. 22, 2004 at 4:24 AM

As comment to PolE: I didn't state that WWII -as it developed- was a well planned plan or conspiracy.
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New information (I'll keep it in english this time):

Out of the former mentioned book:
"America's Secret Establishment"
"An introduction to the
Order of Skull & Bones"
Antony C. Sutton

Hegeliarian philosophy:
Republican versus Democrats, good versus evil, Christianity versus Moslems, Freedom versus dictators, Nazism versuys Communism, etc.

"A small group -a very small group- by using Hegel, can manipulate, and to some extend, control society for its own purposes"
Books:
"The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America"
Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt
& The Dumbing Down of America"
John Taylor Gotta

Those books are about many examples and data supporting the practical implementation of Hegel by some secret societies. One example mentioned is a very detailed report how the same people (belonging to primarely Skull & Bones), financed as well Nazism as Communism.
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Gilman, White and Dwight founded "Skull and Bones" with the financial support of Rockefeller.
This had a relation to the German nazi SS "Death Head Division".
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Another title is "Last secrets of the Skull and Bones"
Ron Rosenbaum (Esquire, sept 1977)

[Charles: whe see the name Rosenbaum often, but there are a lot Rosenbaum's. Maybe related, maybe not. Like J. Rosenbaum (Jordi, Mishima Cyber Command), Arthur J. Rosenbaum (high in special forces, Bosnia, Kosovo) and now this Ron Rosenbaum, in somehow related affairs.
The symbolicy is the rose and has to do with rosecreutz.
Furthermore, this is a German name for primarely Jewish originating families]
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And in connection to Charles remarks and earlier communications:

The book:
"America's Secret Establishment", "An introduction to the
Order of Skull & Bones" of Antony C. Sutton,

contains many pages about the Harriman family!

For example: Avryl Harriman was allowed in the same year to the Skull&Bones as Prescott Bush (grandfather president George Bush).

But other Harrimans also were part of S&B, so this probably is the same for Pamela Harriman, involved with the Sebrenica massacres, Dutch, Bosnian, and American waepontrade (Mabel Wisse Smit), George Soros, Wesley Clark, Richard Holbrook, etcetera (I'll give some links in the follow-up).

This is important, because it links the more 'pure' American freemasonry S&B (like Bush family), to the freemasons of Europe like Bilderberg, Scottisch Masonry, Rhodes School (Clinton, Clark, ...).
More info on Rhodes inner circle: Rothschild belongs to that and is considered as "The Brittish connection".
The diner-meeting before the bombardments on Serbia, consisted of Pamela Harriman, Wesley Clark, Mabel Wisse Smit, Richard Holbrooke with many telephone calls made.
That is called Real Politics: They don't fight Bush at all.
That's there story right now, but they lie.
They gave Bush power first, because that was thge deal between the different mentioned societies and because they needed a war-president to accomplish their overlapping secret agenda's. Now its another time that needs another president: Wesley Clark. But in fact still the people that play with so-called democracy remain in power and nothing changes, except for changes that already had been decided by those societies.

Charles made another remark about involvement of Zionism:
In WWII they didn't have that power as the more Aryan and racial secret societies that mostly didn't like 'Jewish' influance, race, etcetera.
For the Scottisch Masonry (=OTO= Golden Dawn + connections with Skull & Bones) I found many indications of their involvement of 'their' discipel Hitler till 1941 (study all info mentioned earlier in article & folow-ups)
Ofcourse: after the war, they tried to cover-up. See for example the site of the Scottisch Masonry, how poor they were and that they were also -next to the Jews- victims of Hitler. They don't mention that thit only happened after the middle of 1941, merely because escalation after no peace seemed to be possible between England and Germany: not that much because of the Jewish case.
Ofcourse now Jewish organisations, Zionism, etcetera, carefully monitor, watch and "Real-Politics" with these secret societies. Never again the atrocities on their people, so present day Masonry and Zionism seem to be strong related (for example Israeli's Richard Perle, Wolfowitch and others decided about America's Defense policy "Defence Advisory", attacking Iraq and Afghanistan BEFORE 9-11). I think humans are the top-predators on this earth. So if these organisations,secret societies and so on, are not carefully democratically monitored, people will abuse their uncontroled power.

Avril & pamila Harriman

by Mark Metzelaar Thursday, Jan. 22, 2004 at 4:31 AM

(correction: Avril Harriman, not Avryl)

Pamela Harriman
http://www.tele.com/articles/harriman.html

"...In her 76 years, Pamela Harriman, as she was known at her death, had fucked: Randolph Churchill, Edward R. Murrow, Bill Paley, Avril Harriman, Gianni Agnelli (Fiat), Elie Rothschild (Frog branch), Aly Khan and several others ..."
...
"As Avril Harriman grew older and feebler, she started raising money for the Democratic party. She raised millions while having spiffy parties for the rich and perfectly tailored. Someone who received money and support from Pamela was a boyish looking Governor from Arkansas. Yes, without Pamela there wouldn't have been a Bill Clinton. ..."

So The Skull & Bones of Bush financed Clinton?
Or did she leave the Skull & Bones?
!!!

More info Clark & Clinton + connection Englandspiel?

by Mark Metzelaar Thursday, Jan. 22, 2004 at 9:55 PM

More info:

From TechTV / Conspiracy Channel:

WACO:
Clinton president and Wesley Clark commander 1st cavalry in Fort Hood, both Rhodes scholars (see info above; Engish connectyion, Dutch connection, European anti-waeponlobby) and from Arkinson. sent tanks etc. to Waco.
Films / movies diappeared and journalist had the caps on their camera's when the first shots were fired.
Doesn't this look similar to the Dutch cover-up of Sebrenica that also involves Clark, where a movie was 'accidently' destroyed in a military photolab?
According to many: it was the military / government that opened fire first.
This alarmed the patriot institutions that have the task in America to guard the civil rights and protect Americans against totalitarian governments.
Also a white power movement -infiltrated by government- was 'among' these patriot organszations.
Many indicatoions that they wanted to blow up government buildings, but government didn't do a thing to stop this.
Timothy McVeigh seems not to have worked on his own; indications of logistical and other support and people that pushed the buttons at him.
The Oklahoma bombing happened and the papers at this tax-building towards proof of Clinton's fraud in Whitewater, were destroyed by the bombing.
A CIA (or other secret service) covert action seems to be likely.

(some other info concern other issues, like P.R. Sallinger that worked for administrations and is considered as a very reliable source: according to many CIA channels: it was an American Naval rocket that brought down the TWA plane at Long Island, as is stated by hundreds of eye-witnesses)

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Question to Carles and others:

Can you make a connection with the Golden Dawn (Scottish Masonry, Skul&Bones, etc) affairs trying to bring peace between England and Germany and:

Your research about the "Greath Brittains Game", to create a demilitarized area between England and Germany that would create the conditions to make peace possible around 1942, also known covered-up as the Englandspiel?
As introduction: Prince Bernhard betrayed the Dutch resistance after he wrote the: "stadhoudersbrief" to Hitler and/or Himmler. All the airdropped agents were tracked doen, together with the resistance networks waiting for them to help. The English new that they were caught by the Nazi's, but kept going on with the faled missions. For what purpose? Most likely is for the mentioned reasons, as is researched by Charles Destree and is erased from official history.

More info

by Mark Metzelaar Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 9:22 PM

See for further discussion /verdere discussie:

http://dynalinks.dyndns.org/?section=details&l=13574

Keywords:
Protokolle der Weisen von Zion, Nazi-propaganda , Nazi-sympathieen, Die Lugen,
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CONNECTION 1941-1942; PEACE ENGLAND GERMANY

by Charles Destrée Monday, Jan. 26, 2004 at 10:03 PM

Excuse me, it took some time to translate.

"Films / movies disappeared and journalist had the caps on their camera's when the first shots were fired. Doesn't this look similar to the Dutch cover-up of Sebrenica that also involves Clark, where a movie was 'accidently' destroyed in a military photolab?"

And similar happened concerning the video records of the murder of Pim Fortuyn.

"Events in 1941 that can be coupled to events in 1942".
"Can you make a connection with the Golden Dawn (Scottish Masonry, Skul&Bones, etc) affairs trying to bring peace between England and Germany"
And: "Prince Bernhard betrayed the Dutch resistance after he wrote (on 24 april 1942) the: "stadhoudersbrief" to Hitler and/or Himmler. All the airdropped agents were tracked down, together with the resistance networks waiting for them to help. The English new that they were caught by the Nazi's, but kept going on with the failed missions. For what purpose? Most likely is for the mentioned reasons, as is researched by Charles Destr饠and is erased from official history."

Here I mention what I can precise (between much more). Maybe this can help to find connections with Scottish Masonry and Skull&Bones. In this frame can be noted that Himmler was member of the Oxford Group.

The Englandspiel or Great Britains-game began in March 1942. It appears to have been a German-British-Dutch collaboration, to come to a peace of compromise.
For this purpose already in the night from10 to 11 May 1941 Hitlers 'eminence grise' Rudolf Hess came with an airplane to Scotland. The deal was to come back 2 days later, with a signed agreement for this peace of compromise.

Most citations are from the book 'Double Standards. The Rudolf Hess Cover-UP'. Lynn Pichnett, Clive Prince, Stephen Prior and Robert Brydon. Little, Brown and Company, London. 2001.
Dutch translation:
HESS, Het dubbelleven van de man achter Hitler.
Door Lynn Pichnett, Clive Prince en Stephen Prior, in samenwerking met Robert Brydon. Anthos / Manteau. (Amsterdam / Antwerpen.) ISBN 90 7634 125 7. 2001. Vertaald door Amy Bais, Piet Dal en Meta Gemert.

In the evening of 10 May London endured the most heavy bombing of the whole war.
On the contrary of the German civilians, it didn't create solidarity between the civilians, but the British got enough of it. And liked to end the war.
Hitlers right hand, and in fact his guide and brake, Rudolf Hess, landed by parachute in the night of 10 on 11 May 1941 in the near neighbourhood of Duke HAMILTON'S castle Dungavel.
Note: Hess, a university formed intellectual, had since far before the war friendly relations with the Hamiltons.
Hess came with the full agreement of Hitler.
The intention was, that Hess should return to Germany the day after, with a signed peace of compromise in his pocket.

But because, for a still unknown reason, the lights of the landing strip of Dungavel were turned off, Hess couldn't land, and jumped out his airplane, that crashed.
Here comes an important event:
"After have spoken the next day (12 May) with the ministry of Foreign Affairs (Eden), Churchill sent a high placed official, Ivone Kirckpatrick ? who before the war had worked on the British Embassy in Berlin and knew Hess personally ? to Scotland to confirm the identity of the prisoner." Now "the official story leaves out certain important facts an it hides the real motives.
Churchills Kirckpatrick (not mentioned by L. de Jong in his index) is thus the first person of the SAKALUK (codename for the Foreign Office) identifies HESS. Who tells him that he has come wit propositions of peace. The conditions for those propositions are not yet known.
"NKVD-agents in Germany and the USA /?/ reported unanimous that he had flown to Great Britain with the agreement of Hitler to hand over conditions of peace." (Stalin apparently seems not alarmed by this, because he will be taken back by Hitler's attack a big month later, CD.

Following John Harris the Duke of Kent was "the weekend of 10 and 11 May 1941 in Scotland, on Balmoral."
"From this all appears that the Duke of Kent knew the motives and had the possibility to be concerned at the plan-Hess, but the question is if there is, except the witnesses of Baker, any specific proof that couples him at the events of 10 May 1941 or with the 'Hamilton peace group' in general.

Luton Hoo, a Georgian mansion, was "the property of the family of businessman Sir Harold Wernher, can very well have been the centre of the peace group. Wernher was director of the British branch of Electrolux Ltd, that was the property of Birger Dahlerus, and he was one of the organizers of the peace conference in August 1939 with G?g. He maintained ? as good friend of Queen Mary ? also near relations with as well British as European Royal families (Orange, Wilhelmina, Bernhard?), as well as with high noble families (Bentinck? CD) (his granddaughter is the actual Duchess of Westminster). Sir Harold was married with lady Anastasia Torby, cousin of the last Tsar of Russia, who had family relations with almost every Royal family in Europe. His status remains always confirmed because Princess Elisabeth and Prince Philip in November 1947 passed there their weddings night on Luton Hoo. In May 1941 the house was the headquarter of the Eastern High Staff.

The peace group counts: Beaverbrook, Halifax, Hoare (plus RAF, and Wilhelmina, Bernhard? CD)
The Duke should, following the biographer Andrey Whiting, on 23 August (the evening before the departure of the Duke of Kent/Prince George) have left from The Coppins. "so that remains a not to be trace day. But a member of one of the foreign Royal families in exile, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, a German Count by birth and ever member of the NSDAP, has declared that he was the last who, on the evening before the crash, dined on Balmoral with the Duke, and in a biography about the Queen-Mother is mentioned that the Duke before his flight was near his parents at Balmoral. However it is not strange that the Duke interrupted his travel at Balmoral, one dares not admit this fact because it is considered as too sensible, probably because of the meeting with Prince Bernhard, whose presence never has been explained.

On 25 August 1924 the flying boat of the Duke of Kent picked up Rudolf Hess from Lake Loch More in Scotland. They had to go to Stockholm, but the plane crashed short after take-off.

I got in contact with the authors, and told that I could perfectly explain, why Prince Bernhard had to be there. And they admitted also perfectly my explanation. Since than we are in near contact. Two of them visited me, and the result can be seen at their Pharo website. The cited 3 pages of my info in their last book 'The War of the Windsors ? A Century of Unconstitutional Monarchy'.

I could edit a book 'The war of the Oranges ? Four Centuries of Unconstitutional Monarchy'.

But where could I find the editor?

Churchill was also implicated in this peace of compromise. The US-General Marshall ordered in November 1942 an inquiry about Churchill's attitude. He concluded that Churchill based his action on the Bismarck principle: Germany reigning on the European Continent, Great Britain in its Empire.

In this frame Churchill's earlier curious cry: 'Set Europe ablaze', instead of 'Set Germany ablaze' gets its signification.

Thus the real Hess died at 25 August 1942. His double was judged at Nuremberg to prison for lifetime. He was finally murdered by agents specially sent by the British Crown.

Maybe the names Clydesdale and Haushofer, Hess' professor in geopolitics at the Munich University can give another indication.

Best wishes, Charles Destrée

CONCLUSION 1941-1942 -present

by Mark Metzelaar Monday, Jan. 26, 2004 at 10:06 PM

CONCLUSION:

After some cristallisations of this research-article & reactions -info, I come to the following conclusions (besides earlier mentioned ones):

1)
Freemasonry is not one group; a lot of groups and a lot of different people.
Therefore it seems that Freemasonry in the first years of WWII and before, was primerely an Aryan organisation thinking about Aryans as a high race.
But also Jewish people (former helpers, 'the chosen ones' from Babylon?) took part of it.
As is sometimes or often thought (but mostly censored by the influance of certain groups):
A major 'Jewish' influance and connection with the Bolshevik movement in the Sowjet Union was the case.

2)
In The Englandspiel, or Greath Brittaingame(?), also many groups and people were involved. One recent -non-censored- theory is that Russians had some influance within the Britisch inteligence, decisonmaking and maybe real Russian infiltration for their own purposes.
These people could do things for the purpose of Russia and partly changing Britains politics and actions.
If affiliated with Jewish groups, they also could be more concerned about the Jewish case of Hitler Germany, than the average Englishman (as we know, racial thinking and anti-semitism was quite general in those days).
'Above government' groups like freemasonry organisations as Golden Dawn (Scottisch Masonry, Skull & Bones, Hitlers Vril, etc.) had to deal with eachothers motives, motives of their populations, etc. and try to achieve Real Politics.
First they were clearly supporting Hitler that might be even their chosen discipel as he seems to be family related to Rothschild (Ra -Roth from Babylon).
During 1941 and 1942 there seemed to be a struggle in those organisations about what to do with the war.
So probably different opinions, conflicting actions and data, and no concensus.
Pearl Harbor 'happened' on December 7th 1942.
As we know, Golden Dawn was involved in the meetings between Nazi's and Japanese officials shortly before WWII.
We also know these days that the American (goverment - above government) purposedly let Pearl Harbour happen).
This was to get USA full-blown into WWII by outraging the American public. In fact America could easily have defend itself without major damage to Pearl Harbor and therefore no full-blown war neccesary.
Probably groups within the Golden Dawn, Skull & Bones, etc. let this happen. And why?
Also in England different motives played a role. Germany was that strong, that every serious English government would try to make a peace agreement or at least a back-up plan.
And that to my opinion exactly what happened; only to what extense; like the outcome of Charles research of collaboration between England, Germany, prince Bernhard and others?
After Pearl Harbor thing were changing. A giant superpower woke up. In the beginning it was not sure what America would do. Only attack the Japanese? And after that? When would USA military support England enough to win the war, or at least be sure to withstand Germany?
It took some time after Pearl Harbor to be sure about this outcome.
In that proces, Masonry, England, prince Bernhard and others, became from (sometimes potential) collaborators, anti-Nazi's.
This looks quite hypocrite, according to the manipulated history and media about their struggle and motives.
After 1942 Scottisch Masonry and others seemed to 'have broken' with the most extreme racial thinkings about the Aryan race, although that remains the high race among masonry.
Now a pact with groups acting for 'Jewish' interests was made, instead of the former pact with the Nazi's.
Maybe to make it even for what masonry was responsible, partly as blackmail? And as powerplay, as masonry always worked as Real Politics. Nowadays partly other people, groups and countries have power in the Western World.
The power-play, Real Politics nevertheless, remains the same ugly and unethical game.

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See also:
http://dynalinks.dyndns.org/link/13574
that has partly info.

Right or wrong

by Charles Destrée Tuesday, Jan. 27, 2004 at 10:18 AM

Nothing on earth and in (human) nature is straight on right forward action. All is moving with ups and downs, oops and wows, left right and back zigzagging.
Only one thing is always straight in mind of our 'spiritual' and/or political/economic 'leaders', our Popes, Führers, Kings, Captains of Industry. That's to make more profit! Borderless egoist greed
Who said: 'Right or wrong, my country' ?
The Germans? The Nazis? The Americans?
Multinational enterprises, American and others, have no country. Their country is the world. Wars are their Principal markets. There are no borders in their abuse of power.
Two examples.
In June 1940 the concentration camp of Auschwitz was installed. In the near neighbourhood was constructed a chemical factory where the prisoners worked till the fell dead. This factory was the property of the biggest German multinational IG-Farben and the American multinational Standard Oil (later Esso and Exxon) together.
During WW II, Jewish Captains of Industry collaborated with the Nazis. They constituted the 'Prizkoleit' list, the 'alte Herren'. See: 'Le dossier Saragosse - Martin Bormann et Gestapo Müller après 1945' By Pierre de Villemarest. 2002. ISBN 2.7025.0578.3

In the pyramid of world power, on the top is the Zionist lobby in Washington. See Norman Finkelstein: The Holocaust Industry, 2000, ISBN 2 913372 10 4 (in French).
This Zionist lobby is what I call the multinational-Zionism or multinazionism.
It were the same multinationals that financed Lenin, Hitler and Buffalo Bush. Included the House of Orange, that's principally not a Royal House, but a multinational enterprise. Like the British House of Windsor. See 'War of the Windsors – A Century of Unconstitutional Monarchy, by four British researchers. Between more there is question of the British Royal collaboration with Germany during WW II. Like did the Dutch House of Orange, Wilhelmina and Bernhard.
In 'War of the Windsors' I am cited with: "Charles Destrée's research has uncovered considerable evidence that Wilhelmina's control of the Free Dutch provides the key to one of the Second World War's most notorious intelligence deceptions: the Nazi operation known as Englandspiel ('England Game')." "Perhaps it is no coincidence that Marina I (Duchess of Kent, Princess of Greece, CD) was close to the Dutch Royal family and Kent worked closely with Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands."
Bernhard, former SS-man, founded in 1954, with some of those multinationals and with CIA the secret Bilderberg Group. In which the House of Orange is playing a leading role. The deal is to defend the American (and their own) multinational interests: profit. At any price, included the suffering of millions of people.
It seems clear that Mat Herben, the traitor of Pim Fortuyn, is member as well of Freemasonry as Bilderberg Group.
It is all borderless multinational terrorism.
Best wishes,
Charles Destrée.

Lot of follow-up info; getting to the max!

by Mark Metzelaar Saturday, Jan. 31, 2004 at 12:49 AM

Although this info can be found on the earlier mentioned Dynalinks, for security reasons pleade also here, as my Emails have -according to a reporter- recently censored and my Email account nieuwe_mark@yahoo.com is now "deactivated"

MY EMAIL ACCOUNT IS INACTIVATED
After irregularities on my older Yahoo email accounts about not receiving a control email back, now Yahoo inactivated my email account: nieuwe_mark@yahoo.com.
So I can't acces this account, I can't read my own emails or emails I received from other people, I can't check -because of the irregularities- if they received my prior Emails I send them, people who know this account, cant reach me for further comments, etc.
All this happened without any prior warning and without a given reason.
Therefore Yahoo can be seen as a dictatotorial (collaborating) company that resembles the bad aspects of both fasiscm as well as communism.
Freedom of press? Freedom of opinion? It all comes from America; how hypocrite!

RUDOLF HESS - FINANCE NAZI's - THYSSEN - ROTTERDAM BANK
Furthermore, I have some info about Rudolf Hess and the early financing of the Naziparty he arranged through the Dutch bank "Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart" in Rotterdam, with backup of Thyssen of Skull & Bones. This info is in the former mentioned book, backed up with copies of documents (later I'll give the exact text).

RUDOLF HESS - DOUBLE
My question to Charles is about his quite logical story about Rudolf Hess and acquiring peace between Germany and Brittain.
Fisrt I have to mention that -according to a studied man- he also herad the stories of a Rudolf Hess DOUBLE. This was form sources in the Brittisch intellegence, long time ago.
But the story about a double that takes over Hess role to be in prison, doesn't seem logical at all, as well as that he kept his mouth about being a double for long time, before he died in prison (or was "murdered"?). Who the hell would like such a role? Why was that neccesary? Why taken that high risks with a double that has to testify?
Maybe Charles and/or others have more info about this issue to make clear what is the most likely about those stories.
Or maybe Hess didn't die in the mentioned plane accident?


Metzelaar
2004-01-29 22:10:38


Why especially this account has been blocked?

I recently received the following message, that I luckely copied to another mailaccount for security!:

To: nieuwe_mark@yahoo.com
Subject: Mabel-gate
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:40:19 -0500
"Hi Mark -
I'm writing to ask if you would be kind enough to provide me with any of your thoughts'information/sources with regard to the Bosnian-Dutch connection.
I'm in the research process of writing an article on the subject. Your source is confidentially held under the First Amendment.
Appreciate it, and have a great Year 2004,
(name removed)"

For sure they don't want info about the Clark-Bosnia connection in American newspapers (as this journalist seems to be American, erfering to the 1st amendment), as those secret societies try to make him the new president!
Since then , I had the irregularities. I don't know if this reporter(?) received my answer email back, because there was an enormous delay in my (control-) emails and they could be monitored and even 'smartly censored'. And now this account has been inactivated!
Concidence exists? Well; it could be, but sorry I don't feel it now that way!


Metzelaar
2004-01-30 23:20:32


CONFIRMATION CENSOR OF MY EMAIL
According to the reporter (if he is; one never knows for sure in this field): he didn't receive my former Email, indicating my Emails were censored!
That would implement that they tried to block contacts between me and reporters and other important contacts.
Now the same account is "deactivated" by Yahoo. So for sure these contacts are blocked! Well; who the hell owns Yahoo? Rockeffeller or something? Or one of his friends, otherwise?


Metzelaar
2004-01-31 00:06:28


COUNTER ATTACK ON (ABOVE-) 'GOVERNMENT' TERRORISTS

Let's continu on this story with more info!
I understand Charles is doing the same and comming up with more info, so let's make an explose mix to detonate those societies forever; the evil ones amongst them or the ones that use deception about being good, using bad methods.

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How The Bush Family Made Its Fortune From The Nazis
The Dutch Connection
http://www.rense.com/general26/dutch.htm

"THE JULIANA OPERATION"

"...
In 1999, Mr. Gowen traveled to Europe, at his own expense, to meet a former member of Dutch intelligence who had detailed inside information about the Rotterdam bank. The scrupulous Gowen took a written statement and then had his source read and correct it for error. Here, in summary form, is how the Nazis hid their money in America.

After World War I, August Thyssen had been badly burned by the loss of assets under the harsh terms of the Versailles treaty. He was determined that it would never happen again. One of his sons would join the Nazis; the other would be neutral. No matter who won the next war, the Thyssen family would survive with their industrial empire intact. Fritz Thyssen joined the Nazis in 1923; his younger brother married into Hungarian nobility and changed his name to Baron Thyssen-Bornemisza. The Baron later claimed Hungarian as well as Dutch citizenship. In public, he pretended to detest his Nazi brother, but in private they met at secret board meetings in Germany to coordinate their operations. If one brother were threatened with loss of property, he would transfer his holdings to the other.

To aid his sons in their shell game, August Thyssen had established three different banks during the 1920's -- The August Thyssen Bank in Berlin, the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, and the Union Banking Corporation in New York City. To protect their corporate holdings, all the brothers had to do was move the corporate paperwork from one bank to the other. This they did with some regularity. When Fritz Thyssen "sold" the Holland-American Trading Company for a tax loss, the Union Banking Corporation in New York bought the stock. Similarly, the Bush family invested the disguised Nazi profits in American steel and manufacturing corporations that became part of the secret Thyssen empire.

When the Nazis invaded Holland in May 1940, they investigated the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam. Fritz Thyssen was suspected by Hitler's auditors of being a tax fraud and of illegally transferring his wealth outside the Third Reich. The Nazi auditors were right: Thyssen felt that Hitler's economic policies would dilute his wealth through ruinous war inflation. He had been smuggling his war profits out through Holland. But the Rotterdam vaults were empty of clues to where the money had gone. The Nazis did not know that all of the documents evidencing secret Thyssen ownership had been quietly shipped back to the August Thyssen Bank in Berlin, under the friendly supervision of Baron Kurt Von Schroeder. Thyssen spent the rest of the war under VIP house arrest. He had fooled Hitler, hidden his immense profits, and now it was time to fool the Americans with same shell game.

As soon as Berlin fell to the allies, it was time to ship the documents back to Rotterdam so that the "neutral" bank could claim ownership under the friendly supervision of Allen Dulles, who, as the OSS intelligence chief in 1945 Berlin, was well placed to handle any troublesome investigations. Unfortunately, the August Thyssen Bank had been bombed during the war, and the documents were buried in the underground vaults beneath the rubble. Worse, the vaults lay in the Soviet Zone of Berlin.

According to Gowen's source, Prince Bernhard commanded a unit of Dutch intelligence, which dug up the incriminating corporate papers in 1945 and brought them back to the "neutral" bank in Rotterdam. The pretext was that the Nazis had stolen the crown jewels of his wife, Princess Juliana, and the Russians gave the Dutch permission to dig up the vault and retrieve them. Operation Juliana was a Dutch fraud on the Allies who searched high and low for the missing pieces of the Thyssen fortune.

In 1945, the former Dutch manager of the Rotterdam bank resumed control only to discover that he was sitting on a huge pile of hidden Nazi assets. In 1947, the manager threatened to inform Dutch authorities, and was immediately fired by the Thyssens. The somewhat naive bank manager then fled to New York City where he intended to talk to Union Bank director Prescott Bush. As Gowen's Dutch source recalled, the manager intended "to reveal [to Prescott Bush] the truth about Baron Heinrich and the Rotterdam Bank, [in order that] some or all of the Thyssen interests in the Thyssen Group might be seized and confiscated as German enemy property. "The manager's body was found in New York two weeks later.

Similarly, in 1996 a Dutch journalist Eddy Roever went to London to interview the Baron, who was neighbors with Margaret Thatcher. Roever's body was discovered two days later. Perhaps, Gowen remarked dryly, it was only a coincidence that both healthy men had died of heart attacks immediately after trying to uncover the truth about the Thyssens.

Neither Gowen nor his Dutch source knew about the corroborating evidence in the Alien Property Custodian archives or in the OMGUS archives. Together, the two separate sets of US files overlap each other and directly corroborate Gowen's source. The first set of archives confirms absolutely that the Union Banking Corporation in New York was owned by the Rotterdam Bank. The second set (quoted by Manning) confirms that the Rotterdam Bank in turn was owned by the Thyssens.
..."
(see site for further info)

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Dynalinks archive

BUSH NAZI DEALINGS CONTINUED
http://dynalinks.dyndns.org/dynalinks/userspace/Bush-Nazi_Dealings_Continued_Until_1951.pdf pdf

(sorry; I'm not going to study this info now; maybe someone else can integrate all the different good info and make some new conclusions)

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Out of the former mentioned book:
"America's Secret Establishment"
"An introductions to the Order of Skull & Bones":

"...THE BRITISCH CONNECTION.."
...The links between The Order and Britain go through Lazard Freres and the private merchant bankers. Notably the British establishement was also founded at a university - Oxford university, and especially All Souls College at Oxford.
[Charles earlier mentioned: In this frame can be noted that Himmler was member of the Oxford Group -letter Bernhard]
The Group links to Jewish equivaent through the Rothschild in Britain (Lord Rothschild was an original member of Rhodes "inner circle'). The Order in the U.S. links to the Guggenheim, Shiff and Warburg families. There were no Jews at all in The Order until very recently. In fact, The Order has, as Rosenbaum suggests, some indefinite anti-semetic tendencies
..."

"...Who was Thysen?
[THE DUTCH CONNECTION]
...
In 1930-31 Emil Kirdorf approached Thyssen and subsequently sent Rudolf Hess to negotiate further funding for the Nazi Party. This time Thyssen arranged a credit of 25,000 marks at the Bank Voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. (The Dutch name for the bank named by Thyssen in the attached document), at 18 Zuidblaak in Rotterdam, Holland
..."

Then titled under namens like "The Union Banking connection" -Thyssen affiliated with the W.A. Harriman financial interest in N.Y.

D.C. Schutte (managing partner Thyssen Bank)

Also H.J. Kouwenhoven (Nazi) is mentioned as "Nazi banker, managing partner of August Thyssen Bank and Bank voor Handel Scheepvaart N.V. (the transfer bank for Thyssen's funds)"
...
"Cornelius Lievense President, Union Banking Corp. and director of Holland-American Investment Corp
...
Johan Groninger "Director of Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart and Vereinigte Stahlwerke (Thyssens steel operations)"

Vanderbilt...

O.K.: a lot of Dutch names; isn't it? So what was the Dutch connection in support of Hitler?

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HARRIMAN
Correction:
earlier I mentioned Averyl Harriman and Prescot Bush were taken into The Order of Skull & Bones in the same year.
This was not Averyl (or Averel) in that year, but a brother or something. Many Harrimans in Skull & Bones. Pamela Harriman not, but that doesn't mean she isn't affiliated: Skull & Bones internally is only for men. And Pamela Harriman supported Clinton; see earlier info..!
======================

Pfff; enough for now! Best, Mark


Metzelaar
2004-01-31 00:48:47


MASONRY & ENGLISH ROYALTY

+ CONFLICTING DATA INVOLVEMENT WWII,
OR VICTIM ROLE

THE SCOTTISCH MASONRY

They have some nice webiste that gives some pretty info. You have to read between the lines sometimes about their dception, but sometimes they uncover some good info themselves:

http;//http://www.scottish-masons.org.uk/glos/Literature/Articles/annhiliation.html

(this link is not working on my PC right now; the virus/spyware again I encountered a few times, blocking or redirecting websites, or they themselves removed their website- Hahah!; P.S.: annhiliation instead of annihiliation, is the way the addres was spelled)

But I have a copy I made on 7/24/2003:

"The Annihiliation of Freemasonry"

They discuss how fremasonry was prosecuted by Hitler; very conficting facts with the info that the Dutch Marcel Roggemans and another english website gave. The Scootish Masonry ONLY tells the part of prosecution. Nothing about involvement of any of the 'facts' that came out of the document of Marcel Roggemans "Thule Gesellschaft" and the English website with similar info.
So they lie, while they for sure give some facts that are true.
But -for only one example- how come in 1938 Golden Dawn was involved in talkings between high Nazi's and high ranking Japanese, while according to Scottish Masonry info the Gestapo took over Grand LOdges, looted their libraries and collections and exhibited in an "Anti-Masonic Exposition" inaugurated in 1937 by Herr Dr. Joseph Goebbels in Munich.

Maybe someone else can see or find this (new) site and document, as I can't find the address?

THEN (same document)
[MASONRY & ENGLISH ROYALTY]

"...In countires where democracy is a reality, even Royalty belongs to the Order.

01h33 - 20-Jan-2004

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